I presume that Obama supporters will be outraged, and Clinton supporters will be supportive. I personally think this is outrageous. Seat the delegates, then change the math -- I'm okay with that.
This move is silly maybe, and underhanded perhaps, but definitely not crazy. This is essentially an extension of her claim that the people of Michigan and Florida are disenfranchised because they're primaries don't count.
Maybe i've been desensitized, but I'm just not shocked by anything the Clinton camp comes up with anymore.
Well, the issue honestly is how to seat the delegates. The elections there were a dog and pony show without a true result. Many people in both states didn't vote because they were told their votes wouldn't count and in Michigan some crossed over to vote in the Republican race on the same premise. Not to mention separate interests have prevented a re-do.
The plan in Michigan wouldn't have allowed Democrats who voted in the Republican primary to vote in the new primary. The Clinton camp won't settle for anything less than the full delegate counts. On the Obama side, they want an even split in Michigan and in Florida maybe a halving of the delegates.
I expect that both delegations will be seated, but not necessarily based on their vote totals. I think Michigan will be either 50/50 split, or 69-59 delegate split for Clinton, which would account for Hillary and Uncommitted (Obama's) votes. Florida will probably might have their delegates cut in half.
The DNC may have taken an extreme step, but to reward Michigan and Florida out of hand would be to disrespect all the states who followed the rules. I know, here in PA we got lavished with attention and campaign stops for our patience, foresight and the inability to the state assembly to bump up the date.
That's great, I'm sure the powers that be overseeing the process that is trying to decide how to seat those two state's delegates will like the Clinton camp's "jumping the gun" so to speak. At any rate, Dean already made it clear on John Stewart's The Daily Show that Michigan and Florida's delegates will be seated... It's just a matter of how they will be seated.
Right, and if the actual goal is to seat the delegates, as Dean said, that makes this Clinton spin--gasp!--correct. But if they don't get seated, they're resetting the bar.
I presume that Obama supporters will be outraged, and Clinton supporters will be supportive. I personally think this is outrageous. Seat the delegates, then change the math -- I'm okay with that.
[Stop me if you've seen this before . . .]
This move is silly maybe, and underhanded perhaps, but definitely not crazy. This is essentially an extension of her claim that the people of Michigan and Florida are disenfranchised because they're primaries don't count.
Maybe i've been desensitized, but I'm just not shocked by anything the Clinton camp comes up with anymore.
A typical Clintonish tactic--change the goal line so you can try to win.
Well, the issue honestly is how to seat the delegates. The elections there were a dog and pony show without a true result. Many people in both states didn't vote because they were told their votes wouldn't count and in Michigan some crossed over to vote in the Republican race on the same premise. Not to mention separate interests have prevented a re-do.
The plan in Michigan wouldn't have allowed Democrats who voted in the Republican primary to vote in the new primary. The Clinton camp won't settle for anything less than the full delegate counts. On the Obama side, they want an even split in Michigan and in Florida maybe a halving of the delegates.
I expect that both delegations will be seated, but not necessarily based on their vote totals. I think Michigan will be either 50/50 split, or 69-59 delegate split for Clinton, which would account for Hillary and Uncommitted (Obama's) votes. Florida will probably might have their delegates cut in half.
The DNC may have taken an extreme step, but to reward Michigan and Florida out of hand would be to disrespect all the states who followed the rules. I know, here in PA we got lavished with attention and campaign stops for our patience, foresight and the inability to the state assembly to bump up the date.
That's great, I'm sure the powers that be overseeing the process that is trying to decide how to seat those two state's delegates will like the Clinton camp's "jumping the gun" so to speak. At any rate, Dean already made it clear on John Stewart's The Daily Show that Michigan and Florida's delegates will be seated... It's just a matter of how they will be seated.
Right, and if the actual goal is to seat the delegates, as Dean said, that makes this Clinton spin--gasp!--correct. But if they don't get seated, they're resetting the bar.
I don't see this as a Clinton spin or necessarily incorrect. I just see it as Hillary being... Well, Hillary.